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[claude06thailand]

Reading this piece of news : พัทยาผวา พายุหมุนกลางทะเลดูดน้ำทะเลสูงกว่า 400 เมตร

I found these 3 different versions of "tornado"

พายุหมุน > ลมพายุหมุน > พายุลมหมุน
and the classifier for it
พายุหมุนลูกดังกล่าว

[Tgeezer]

Reading this piece of news : พัทยาผวา พายุหมุนกลางทะเลดูดน้ำทะเลสูงกว่า 400 เมตร

I found these 3 different versions of "tornado"

พายุหมุน > ลมพายุหมุน > พายุลมหมุน
and the classifier for it
พายุหมุนลูกดังกล่าว

I know it is only a newspaper but พายุ means strong wind so wind is not necessary. พายุหนุน is revolving wind. Tornado is พายุ followed by tornado in phonetics.
Is ลูก a classifier it does't look like here, but there isn't much to go on.
Doesn't it look like the reporter is using ลูก as a 1st person pronoun?

[claude06thailand]

quoting Tgeezer :

Doesn't it look like the reporter is using ลูก as a 1st person pronoun?

More context will help you decide :

ในเบื้องต้นพายุหมุนมุ่งหน้าจะขึ้นชายฝั่งพัทยา แต่ด้วยความโชคดี ลมเปลี่ยนทิศ ทำให้พายุหมุนลูกดังกล่าวมุ่งหน้าออกทะเลลึก และหายไปในที่สุดโดยใช้เวลากว่า 30 นาที

[Tgeezer]

quoting Tgeezer :

Doesn't it look like the reporter is using ลูก as a 1st person pronoun?

More context will help you decide :

ในเบื้องต้นพายุหมุนมุ่งหน้าจะขึ้นชายฝั่งพัทยา แต่ด้วยความโชคดี ลมเปลี่ยนทิศ ทำให้พายุหมุนลูกดังกล่าวมุ่งหน้าออกทะเลลึก และหายไปในที่สุดโดยใช้เวลากว่า 30 นาที

Initially the storm headed for Pataya but luckily the wind changed direction making storm(-) head for the deep see and in the end it disappeared taking less than 30 minutes.
(-) must be describing the storm, and ดังกล่าว is to have mentioned or told about, which just needs a noun to have ดังกล่าว-ed it.
If I am right and (-) is a pronoun directly following storm, I would translate it as 'The storm I reported' or since 'I reported' has the effect of making it a particular storm ; The storm.
Edit; I suppose you already have ดังกล่าว as reported, and I know what you mean but I am not calling that noun a classifier, mainly because it isn't in the big tome.

[David and Bui]

In this context, "ดังกล่าว" means technically "aforementioned" or "the one to which I just referred". However, since the referenced "storm" is in such close proximity to the discussion, I think in English we could just say, "the storm" or "this storm".

See: http://www.thai-language.com/id/212851

[simonbournemouth]

พายุหมุนลูกดังกล่าว

"The aforementioned tornado".

Just Google "พายุ 2 ลูก" and you will find many examples where "ลูก" is used as a classifier for storm.

[Tgeezer]

พายุหมุนลูกดังกล่าว

"The aforementioned tornado".

Just Google "พายุ 2 ลูก" and you will find many examples where "ลูก" is used as a classifier for storm.

Thank's simonbournmouth, I rely on others to do that legwork.
I must say I had to convince myself to ignore the fact that ที่ was required if ลูก were not to be translated as a ลักษณนาม.
I can just see a 'paper saying 'the aforementioned' so 'The' is still the translation, it seems to me.

[Tgeezer]

In this context, "ดังกล่าว" means technically "aforementioned" or "the one to which I just referred". However, since the referenced "storm" is in such close proximity to the discussion, I think in English we could just say, "the storm" or "this storm".

See: http://www.thai-language.com/id/212851

Sorry David, I didn't realize you had posted. We agree on that then.
Edit: We are in danger of arriving at the same conclusions by different routes, so that finally there won't be anything to discuss.
Can I give my esoteric way of explaining why กว่า always means 'before' even in มากกว่า?

[simonbournemouth]

Sorry David, I didn't realize you had posted.

Sorry David. I didn't realise either.

[simonbournemouth]

Can I give my esoteric way of explaining why กว่า always means 'before' even in มากกว่า?

I always thought it meant "more than".

ใช้เวลากว่า 30 นาที - "Took more than 30 minutes."