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[mkstreet]

I would like to find a text -- a group of sentences or an actual paragraph-- to practice a particular Thai tone.

For example, a page of text that concentrates on 'High Tone' (เสียงตรี).
The idea would be a large occurrence of the High Tone within the text....

Failing that, perhaps just a list of words that would focus on a particular Thai tone.

Sometimes in Thai it seems there are limericks or poems to work on specific pronunciation aspects... used for native speakers in pratom level.

I am not interested in working on listening or spelling.

My purpose and interest is to work on pronunciation.

My plan is to find a suitable text or word list. Then have a native speaker friend record it as MP3... I can then work on my own to mimic their pronunciation.

Anyone have anything like this or another suggestion?

[James Newton]

Hi MK,

Are you looking for something like this:

HighTones.pdf

I created this by filtering the List of Common Words for words where the transcription of one of the syllables ends with "H".

Cheers,

James

[Rick Bradford]

And when you've mastered each tone individually, the trick is to find sentences where the tones are sequenced in a complex way.

Try this 3-tone sentence: "ก็เรื่องนี้แหละที่ข้าอยากจะพูดกับพวกเจ้า"

[r2d2]

And when you've mastered each tone individually, the trick is to find sentences where the tones are sequenced in a complex way.

I am not interested in working on listening or spelling.

My purpose and interest is to work on pronunciation.

Khun Rick,

thank you very much for your remark. I found the post as such ... a little bit strange.

If you learn singing u use do-re-mi-fa-sol-la-ti but not do-do-do-do-do-do-do.

How to learn to pronounce Thai?

มา speaker 1 speaker 2
ม้า speaker 1 speaker 2
หมา speaker 1 speaker 2

In addition, I found the tone always as something individual, i.e., while learning to pronounce you must find your own tone-contrasting system. I may be wrong ... but I never had the desire to learn Thai tone by means of a long list of words having the same tone ... Actually, high tone long (not stopped) and high tone short (stopped) may already two different issues for pronunciation?!

[mkstreet]

Actually something like this, the sentence with the tones sequenced in a complex way, is what I would really like. I would like to get a list of sentences like this example from Rick.

Anyone have any ideas on where/how?

And when you've mastered each tone individually, the trick is to find sentences where the tones are sequenced in a complex way.

Try this 3-tone sentence: "ก็เรื่องนี้แหละที่ข้าอยากจะพูดกับพวกเจ้า"

[Glenn Slayden]

Anyone have any ideas on where/how?

It's on my list of things to do. Since I can access the database computationally, I think I might be able to construct a query that pulls out sentences that fit the criteria you mention.

[r2d2]

I would like to get a list of sentences like this example from Rick.

Not your query, but speaking today with my wife I found 'science' - วิทยา - high/high/neutral-long --- witH thaH yaaM as challenging, or nice.

[Rick Bradford]

There's also the potential for a tone to be differently pronounced depending on the following tone.

In Chinese, it's called tone sandhi and is a formal part of the language. It is compulsory to follow tone sandhi rules, so probably this isn't the case with Thai.

For example, in the sentence fragment "...ช่วยทั่วโลกไม่ได้." (5 falling tones). I've heard this a few times, and the first 4 falling tones never seem to be fully expressed (in terms of the falling component).

I have also heard words where a rising tone seems to be flattened out before a mid- or high- tone, or maybe the tone is just too rapid for me to hear it. I get criticized for over-emphasizing the rising tone in words like สำคัญ and hence slowing down the flow of the sentence. Equally, I under-emphasize the falling tone in F-H combinations such as ที่แล้ว.

No doubt there is a body of respectable research on this subject.

This little snippet has all 5 tones: ผลกระทบจากภาวะโลกร้อน R-L-H-L-M-H-F-H

[thaitones]

Thaitone`s practice website------
http://www.thaitones.in.th/index.php?LG=EN