ศาลาชุมนุม

[David and Bui]

I wholeheartedly agree with Tgeezer: the Royal Institute ought to update its dictionary and database to more closely reflect today's language usage. The Institute has had one positive step in this direction: the "Dictionary or New Words, Volume I". (http://th.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%B8%9E% ... 1%E0%B9%88)

I would certainly appreciate if the RI integrated this new volume within its online version.

[Tgeezer]

Well, with respect to your previous remark, the RID appears to agree that all three words have the same meaning and use. So I think we can say that only one word was borrowed and, though it exists in three (should we say four?) forms, the meaning remains intact.

As regards changing the meaning by altering a page on this site, I think I was simply opening a debate. My problem was not so much that there was a page for a non-existent word, but that the sample sentence actually contained this same word, when any one of the alternatives would have been better.

But did you have something *positive* to say?

Well, if agreement with every post is positive then I suppose I don't have anything positive to say.
If the spelling of อุตสาหกรรม was wrong in the dictionary here, you only need to look in the RID. You will see that there is only one possible spelling อุตสาห- .

[Tgeezer]

Gosh, how easy it is to change a language, I suppose that the RID can be dispensed with in favour of popular opinion, there are some who would not agree with this.

Where does 55555 appear in alphabetical order? I can't find it on the RID on-line.

To be useful, a Thai-English dictionary should record the forms the user is likely to meet. I agree it gets tricky with the misspellings of the ill-educated.

That is a very valid point, how the hell did 555555 come about? Someone early in this topic said it stood for 'laughing' and I never questioned it. I have only now realized that you are supposed to read ห้าห้าห้าห้าห้า; I didn't make the connection because I knew that the onomatopoeic word is ฮา. 55555 or should I say ฮาฮาฮาฮาฮา or better still ;

[pensive]

ACWOT

[Tgeezer]

I wholeheartedly agree with Tgeezer: the Royal Institute ought to update its dictionary and database to more closely reflect today's language usage. The Institute has had one positive step in this direction: the "Dictionary or New Words, Volume I". (http://th.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%B8%9E% ... 1%E0%B9%88)

I would certainly appreciate if the RI integrated this new volume within its online version.

I think that is Lexitron's job isn't it? I think that I should start looking at Lexitron; it might make me more in tune with the rest of the forum.

[Nan]

Hmmm, so อุตสาห์ is not a word. Thai2english.com thinks it is. The one word in Pali is used to create both the noun and the verb, which are distinguished in Thai by a different syllable structure and tone. I guess I should have checked the RID before posting, but T2E is usually very good. (I looked at its documentation and the meanings are derived from Lexitron.)

The spelling of อุตส่าห์ and อุตสาหะ are derived from the word in Sanskrit (ส. อุตฺสาห). I rarely see the word which has the same meaning but the spelling was derived from Pali though.

Although อุตส่าห์ and อุตสาหะ have the same meaning, the usage of both words are different, they can not be used interchangeably.

Ex.

เขาตั้งใจทำงานด้วยความอุตสาหะ

ในเมื่อเธออุตส่าห์แวะมาหาฉันทั้งที ก็อยู่นั่งคุยกันนานหน่อยสิ

[Richard Wordingham]

If the spelling of อุตสาหกรรม was wrong in the dictionary here, you only need to look in the RID. You will see that there is only one possible spelling อุตสาห- .

Did the dictionary here ever say that อุตสาหกรรม could be spelt differently?

[Tgeezer]

If the spelling of อุตสาหกรรม was wrong in the dictionary here, you only need to look in the RID. You will see that there is only one possible spelling อุตสาห- .

Did the dictionary here ever say that อุตสาหกรรม could be spelt differently?

I don't know, I was commenting on this post by David.
Thank you, Khun Pensive. I have posted the change in the primary entry to the database adding the ไม้เอก.

I should have looked, my comment was more general, the primary source should be the RID not Google.