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[hrican]

Need surname translation for:
Robertin

can any one help????

[DonSena]

Need surname translation for:
Robertin

can any one help????

Of course, what you want is a transliteration.

I would use รอเบอร์ทิน

Other attempts might use ติน for the final syllable instead of ทิน.
ทิน is a better choice, since it is closer to the English pronunciation
that ติน. The English 't' here is aspirated, as is the Thai ท (ธนิต).
The Thai ต is unaspirated (สิถิล), and occurs in English only in 'st' clusters

[insayt]

Another sugesstion!

Maybe โรเบอร์ทิน or โรเบอร์ติร as in รอเบอร์ทิน you get รอ raaw A as Art but โร= Roh as in All, actually I don't know what is best but for me Roh is more like what I would say.

Thai-Language.com spell Robert as follow โรเบิร์ต

Peter

[DonSena]

Another sugesstion!

Maybe โรเบอร์ทิน or โรเบอร์ติร as in รอเบอร์ทิน you get รอ raaw A as Art but โร= Roh as in All, actually I don't know what is best but for me Roh is more like what I would say.

Thai-Language.com spell Robert as follow โรเบิร์ต

Peter

The โอ of โร is mid-central rounded, as in English "row" (but without the upward glide).
A lower mid-central sound ( an allophone of โอ) occurs in short closed syllables like คน and รถ.

Occurrences of ออ are mostly unrounded, but tend toward roundedness if the initial consonant is uttered on the velum or at points further back.

The low back vocalic quality of ออ is more appropriate to the lead syllable of English Robert.

Degree of roundedness is of secondary importance here.

[kairi_key]

Yeah, รอ is closer to the original reading.

However, โร for Robert- is more familiar to Thai's tongue.
Either one is fine, but โรเบอร์ติน/ทิน would be the most common use for Thai transliteration of the name, so it's a matter of preference, now. =w=

[David and Bui]

See the Royal Institute's paper on transcribing English into Thai orthography, especially for vowels.
http://www.thai-language.com/ref/english-vowel-sounds

For "er" they provide two examples:

er เออ Canberra = แคนเบอร์รา
___ อา Clerk = คลาร์ก

I suspect that for the name Robert, the first is more relevant.

[Pirin]

Need surname translation for:
Robertin
......

Of course, what you want is a transliteration.

I would use รอเบอร์ทิน

Other attempts might use ติน for the final syllable instead of ทิน.
ทิน is a better choice, since it is closer to the English pronunciation
that ติน. The English 't' here is aspirated, as is the Thai ท (ธนิต).
The Thai ต is unaspirated (สิถิล), and occurs in English only in 'st' clusters

See the Royal Institute's paper on transcribing English into Thai orthography, especially for vowels.
http://www.thai-language.com/ref/english-vowel-sounds

For "er" they provide two examples:

er เออ Canberra = แคนเบอร์รา
___ อา Clerk = คลาร์ก

I suspect that for the name Robert, the first is more relevant.

ด้วยหลักการและเหตุผล คำตอบของคุณ Don น่าสนใจค่ะ
Khun Don, I agree with this version of yours.

Acoording to the link provided by คุณ David (and Bui),

Thomas More ทอมัส มอร์ is a good example of the transcribed 'o' vowel sound.

The link below might also give you a good example for "Robert".

รอเบิร์ต แอนดรูส์ มิลลิแกน (Robert Andrews Millikan)
http://www.promma.ac.th/main/chemistry/ ... llikan.htm

[David and Bui]

I suspect that the difficulty of transcription of "English" to Thai lies not only with the challenge of expressing sounds in Thai, but with the variations of vowels in English itself, based on geography, history, and custom.

[insayt]

Hi guys!

I'm convinced, here at Thai-Language I try to use English as a base language even though I'm Swedish and I think many time I fall into Swedish when transcribe:-).

But as David and Bui noticed I think is relevant!

I suspect that the difficulty of transcription of "English" to Thai lies not only with the challenge of expressing sounds in Thai, but with the variations of vowels in English itself, based on geography, history, and custom.

...and as kairi_key say โรเบิร์ต is more common with thais. I asked my wife and she said โร. Maybe even among thais it vary:-). Thanks for all replays:

Peter

[David and Bui]

In my native Boston (Massachusetts) we would say, "รอบิด".