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[Rick Bradford]

Does this phrase refer to a "penalty shootout" if the score is tied at the end of the game?

Yes, that's the way I've seen it used before.

One other interesting facet of these stories are the transliterations of foreign names, particularly French ones, which pose quite a problem for Thai orthography.

One solution they have adopted is frequent use of the unusual consonant ฌ to represent the sound 'sh' or 'zh', the French voiced 'j'.

So we have อฌักซิโอ้ (Ajaccio) and ดิฌง (Dijon).

French place names are always tricky: โซโชซ์, ก็อง, วาล็องเซียนส์, and of course ปารีส แซงต์ แยร์แมง

Plus, I was at a loss to work out who เดอ บัวร์ was until I realised the story was about the managerial vacancy at Liverpool.

[Rick Bradford]

I was interested in how the Thai press (and later, the commentators) would handle the difficult names of footballers at Euro 2012, and they don't come much harder than this - Wojciech Szczęsny.

Khao Sot renders it as วอซเชียก เซสนี่, which seems reasonable, but since my Polish pronunciation isn't up to much, I can't really judge....

[keith]

Rick,

Normally, I make a note of new vocab that I come across in these reportsbut yesterday I didn't and as the story was developing rapidly during the time that I was (slowly) working on reading the story, I couldn't get back to the original. Perhaps you can help. I was reading the morning (UK Time) reports on the Liverpool manager saga. I was reading it on Matichon. The word I kept coming across was ซือ initially I just thought ซื้อ and that sentences would make more sense as I understood more. Of course it didn't work out and I couldn't find the word in any dictionaries, but it always followed the word กัน and usually sat between a name and a club name. So I am assuming that กันซือ means manager. Is that a reasonable assumption?

Keith

[David and Bui]

I believe the standard term is กุนซือ (http://www.thai-language.com/id/149556): coach, consultant, adviser. The term is not in the online RID but it can be found in the Matichon Dictionary. The word is of Chinese origin.

[keith]

I believe the standard term is กุนซือ (http://www.thai-language.com/id/149556): coach, consultant, adviser. The term is not in the online RID but it can be found in the Matichon Dictionary. The word is of Chinese origin.

David,

Thank you. I was just reading today's report on the same story and suddenly realised that I hread the word wrongly. กุนซือ as you say. These old eyes are not what they used to be. But in a way, it is a good thing as I was obviously "recognising" blocks of letters as words rather than just going through letter by letter, albeit wrongly. It must be progress of a kind

[ttthai]

กุนซือ is a chinese term for strategist, whereas เหล่าซือ means teacher.

This is from Manager Online today headline:
สื่ออังกฤษยืนยันลิเวอร์พูลจะแต่งตั้ง "รอดเจอร์ส"เป็นกุนซือคนใหม่

[Rick Bradford]

And as regards football managers, the word โค้ช is often used in the Thai press.

[keith]

Hi,

Me again!

Today's Matichon Liverpool report finishes with this paragraph:

สำหรับร็อดเจอร์ส พาทีมสวอนซีเลื่อนชั้นขึ้นมาเล่นพรีเมียร์ลีกฤดูกาล 2011-12 และสามารถทำผลงานได้อย่างเหนือความคาดหมาย จบอันดับ 11 ของตาราง ตามหลังลิเวอร์พูล ที่จบอันดับ 8 ห่างเพียง 5 คะแนน

Where I'm having problems rendering into English is with the first word สำหรับ I know its meaning - in order to, in oder that. But I am having problems fitting it into my English version. I have come up with the following (loose) rendering

"In order for Rodgers to lead Swansea, who were promoted to play in the Premier league in the 2011/2012 season, he had to have the ability to produce results beyond expectations, finishing 11th in the table, behind Liverpool who finished 8th just 5 points higher"

I'm not aiming at exact translation, I'm just reading for pleasure and so have no problems missing the odd bit, but that one word I think, is key to the meaning of the paragraph

[Rick Bradford]

I think in this context, สำหรับ can be translated as "As for..."

"As for Rodgers, he led Swansea to promotion to the Premier League for the 2011/2012 season, and was able to achieve results beyond expectations, finishing 11th in the table, behind Liverpool who finished 8th, with just 5 points in between them."

Journalistic Thai often starts sentences with a word that doesn't add much to the meaning, but acts as a kind of bridge, or even as a marker that here comes a new sentence. The word โดย is often used in this way.

[Toffeeman]

I have seen the word ส่วน used in this way too. The word means 'part' and can be translated 'on the part of' or 'as for the part of' which are both a bit wordy so 'as for....' fits better.