ศาลาชุมนุม

[biacowry]

I think this Thai word means something like "the docks" or "wharf" or "portside" or "waterfront" (where fishermen and fisherwomen unload seafood that was caught). Is the last syllable ปรี่ ?

[r2d2]

I read, suggestion, ท่าเรือพลี (tha ruea phali).

[biacowry]

http://thai-language.com/id/199903 ท่าเรือ is ‘port; jetty; harbor (for boats); dock’

พลี seems to mean ‘to sacrifice; to give up; to surrender; to share a part of’ or ‘sacrificial ceremony; religious offering; worship; oblation’.

[r2d2]

I have no idea what the meaning is - but have a look on this picture:

[David and Bui]

Friends,

Please validate, but I believe that the pronunciation of the word พลี is "Plee", not "Palee".

Apparently this word has two possible pronunciations in combination with other syllables:

In http://www.thai-language.com/id/151595 note that the pronunciation according to the RID is "phaH leeM"
in http://www.thai-language.com/id/210927 the pronunciation is "phleeM cheepF"

My wife told me that the Chonburi location is pronounced like the latter. This is verified by the speaker at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lb7NeBAnCJY .

[biacowry]

I've only visited Chonburi, and all the locals said for example หอยแมงภู่ and never หอยแมลงภู่. It seems their local pronunciation prefers to merge syllables beginning with l into the previous syllable? In this case it seems the sound change is pha lee > phlee > phee.

[r2d2]

David, thank you very much for all these valuable information.
Do you have a translation, the meaning of the term, ท่าเรือพลี as well?

[David and Bui]

David, thank you very much for all these valuable information.
Do you have a translation, the meaning of the term, ท่าเรือพลี as well?

I don't know; it looks like a name to me.

[r2d2]

I've only visited Chonburi, and all the locals said for example หอยแมงภู่ and never หอยแมลงภู่. It seems their local pronunciation prefers to merge syllables beginning with l into the previous syllable? In this case it seems the sound change is pha lee > phlee > phee.

In แมง, compared to แมลง, there is missing a complete consonant. Fish and consonant eaters there down in Chonburi The first term has no "cluster" at all, the second a "ml cluster". There is a theory about allowed and not allowed initial clusters, as far as I remember ml is not allowed, thus, not mlaeng but ma-laeng.

Hearing ขนม I would bet (nearly always) that I heard a khnom but not a kha-nom. Following the theory of allowed and not allowed clusters, this may be an unallowed cluster as well, so there must be an a in-between - whatever you hear.

As far as I remember, a พล cluster is allowed according to Thai grammar. If so, you have the choice to pronunce พลี - second syllable is always Mid tone - to pronunce the พ either clustered, or as pha in High tone.

How I hear a pha in the high tone vs. ph clustered?

Please don't ask me

[r2d2]

Is the last syllable ปรี่ ?

ooops, I see now, you are right - thaaF reuuaM pee? - if the searched term is ph(l)ee - cluster eaters

(malaeng meang, is, however, not the same phenomenon ... you remember my "Lao example": it turned out that I was aware the first time in my life that cancer is written with ro ruea, ma-reng, because I saw it is in Lao ma-heng, that's a sound shift at the level of consonants, but the number of syllables remains the same)