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[David and Bui]

๋I just saw the word "ซิ่ว" in an email:

From http://dictionary.sanook.com/search/dic ... 8%E0%B8%A7

"ซิ่วมาจาก ฟอสซิล หมายถึง คนที่เคยเรียนอยู่มหาวิทยาลัยอื่นมาก่อนแล้วย้ายที่เรียนมาอยู่ที่ใหม่เป็นเด็กปี 1 อีกรอบ"

[ . . .derived from the English word "fossil"; the term means a person who was a student at another university, transferred to the current university, and is starting all over again as a freshman.]

The word is also found in the Royal Institute's "Dictionary of New Words, Volume 1"

ซิ่ล, ซิ่ว ก. สอบเข้ามหาวิทยาลัยได้แล้ว เปลี่ยนไปสอบเข้าคณะหรือมหาวิทยาลัยใหม่ เช่น เขาซิ่วมา ๓ ที่แล้วกว่าจะมาเรียนที่นี่.
(ตัดมาจาก อ. fossil).

The sample sentence is "เขาซิ่วมา ๓ ที่แล้วกว่าจะมาเรียนที่นี่"
"He dropped out three times before he came [to study] here."

Note that the Sanook dictionary shows the word as a noun; the DNW1 as a verb.

I suspect the term is pejorative. Any thoughts?

[Tgeezer]

๋I just saw the word "ซิ่ว" in an email:

From http://dictionary.sanook.com/search/dic ... 8%E0%B8%A7

"ซิ่วมาจาก ฟอสซิล หมายถึง คนที่เคยเรียนอยู่มหาวิทยาลัยอื่นมาก่อนแล้วย้ายที่เรียนมาอยู่ที่ใหม่เป็นเด็กปี 1 อีกรอบ"

[ . . .derived from the English word "fossil"; the term means a person who was a student at another university, transferred to the current university, and is starting all over again as a freshman.]

The word is also found in the Royal Institute's "Dictionary of New Words, Volume 1"

ซิ่ล, ซิ่ว ก. สอบเข้ามหาวิทยาลัยได้แล้ว เปลี่ยนไปสอบเข้าคณะหรือมหาวิทยาลัยใหม่ เช่น เขาซิ่วมา ๓ ที่แล้วกว่าจะมาเรียนที่นี่.
(ตัดมาจาก อ. fossil).

The sample sentence is "เขาซิ่วมา ๓ ที่แล้วกว่าจะมาเรียนที่นี่"
"He dropped out three times before he came [to study] here."

Note that the Sanook dictionary shows the word as a noun; the DNW1 as a verb.

I suspect the term is pejorative. Any thoughts?

Fascinating choice of word David, I wonder what people think a fossil is, evidence of a past life and how can it be a verb, 'fossilised' I suppose.
Does สอบเข้าได้ mean to have studied or to have applied to enter?
สามที่ means three places.

[David and Bui]

Thanks, Reggie. I did err in thinking ที่ was ที. It should be:

"เขาซิ่วมา ๓ ที่แล้วกว่าจะมาเรียนที่นี่"
"He dropped out three places before he came [to study] here."

My take on the definition:

"สอบเข้ามหาวิทยาลัยได้แล้ว เปลี่ยนไปสอบเข้าคณะหรือมหาวิทยาลัยใหม่"
Having successfully passed the entrance exam [in one university faculty], [the student] changes [his mind] and takes the exam again for a different faculty or a different university.

What do you think?

[Tgeezer]

Thanks, Reggie. I did err in thinking ที่ was ที. It should be:

"เขาซิ่วมา ๓ ที่แล้วกว่าจะมาเรียนที่นี่"
"He dropped out three places before he came [to study] here."

My take on the definition:

"สอบเข้ามหาวิทยาลัยได้แล้ว เปลี่ยนไปสอบเข้าคณะหรือมหาวิทยาลัยใหม่"
Having successfully passed the entrance exam [in one university faculty], [the student] changes [his mind] and takes the exam again for a different faculty or a different university.

What do you think?

What gave me pause was that the DNW said 'three places"!
How does not taking up places make him a fossil? Adoption/adaption of English is intriguing. Could it be the verb fossilise?

[bifftastic]

Perhaps it implies that he didn't do any work in the previous three places? He just sat there and 'fossilised'.

[insayt]

Very interesting!

It seems that fossilization is a linguistic term. Maybe the word ซิ่ว is not that fossil as we think of but a term from the education world. What do you think? A fossil is stamped once for all by its past. Some kind of stagnation. Can perhaps be applied to any form of study not only language!

Maybe I'm wrong, but still interesting!

…This "stopping short" has been referred to as fossilization (Selinker, 1972) or incompleteness. The link below describes it more, could it be this that ซิ่ว mean?


https://www.lsa.umich.edu/linguistics/p ... _ci.detail


https://www.google.se/url?sa=t&rct=j&q= ... rMeSs_GJIA

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interlang ... silization

...and here is a discussion from Pantip

http://pantip.com/topic/34029479

Peter

[Tgeezer]

Very interesting!

It seems that fossilization is a linguistic term. Maybe the word ซิ่ว is not that fossil as we think of but a term from the education world. What do you think? A fossil is stamped once for all by its past. Some kind of stagnation. Can perhaps be applied to any form of study not only language!

Maybe I'm wrong, but still interesting!

…This "stopping short" has been referred to as fossilization (Selinker, 1972) or incompleteness. The link below describes it more, could it be this that ซิ่ว mean?


https://www.lsa.umich.edu/linguistics/p ... _ci.detail


https://www.google.se/url?sa=t&rct=j&q= ... rMeSs_GJIA

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interlang ... silization

...and here is a discussion from Pantip

http://pantip.com/topic/34029479

Peter

Very interesting Peter. Fossilisation of adult langauge learners could be the germ but we can never know. As The posts on Pantip show, people only know what the RID has and perhaps, all we need to know.
It's a great example of a one syllable word saying so much about a person though isn't it?